Zoom Logo

Trustee Public Forum - Shared screen with speaker view
Mariva
29:54
I received an invitation from the chancellor
Rosie Zepeda
30:48
Welcome Mariva!!
Mariva
31:53
Thank you, Rosie!
Jeffrey Kelly
43:20
CCSF needs to start an advertising campaign with media spots and mailing. Other Colleges have started that for the summer and fall.
Rosie Zepeda
44:45
Thank you Jeffrey. We will be launching that campaign shortly, with the mailing of a postcard to SF households.
E. Simon Hanson
45:15
This Board Resolution was discussed at the Academic Senate executive council meeting this week and we are providing the following feedback in hope that the board better understands the concerns of faculty in regards to this issue:• A major concern that has not been addressed in the resolution itself is the physical condition of our current teaching spaces. Many of our classrooms lacked windows & adequate ventilations systems prior to the pandemic. These conditions have not been improved and thus jeopardize our ability to meet distancing and physical requirements to resume safe in person instruction• The potential for losing even more students, should we not get this right, is a very real concern. There are certain programs (Dance, Physical Education, Basic Skills, non-credit ESL etc.) in which, if we do not figure out how to resume in person ASAP, the programs will simply die off for lack of students. Many programs are just not suited to continued remote instruction, and the approach to reopening needs to
Kristen Wolslegel
45:16
Will this be submitted by all trustees?
Chad Stephenson
45:49
Unfortunately, CCSF no longer has 11 campuses, since four have been closed (Ft. Mason, Airport, Civic Center, and Southeast) but the CCSF website doesn’t reflect this so it should be corrected here.
Aliya Chisti
45:59
Thank you Simon for the feedback, could you please e-mail be this feedback? achisti@ccsf.edu
Patrick Lee
46:02
Question 1] For Return to Campus will CCSF employees be required to provide proof of vaccination
Patrick Lee
46:35
Question 2] If yes, what would be sufficient proof.
Malaika Finkelstein
47:58
I am eager to be back in person, when it's safe. Most classrooms are fairly small, so we'd need to be able to open more sections so we can have fewer students in class at a time. Can trustees advocate for opening more sections?
Rosie Zepeda
49:22
Chad, we will correct that. Than you!
Chifung Wong
49:35
I agree with Mariva, I LOVE Zoom Online classes as well. In fact, this is why I am here today to voice my feedback. Zoom has improved online classes quality exponentially.
CCSF - Carolyn
50:26
I would like to echo the same points for classified staff. Working from home works well for many of us...
Mark Ryan Shivers-Delgado
50:38
How would this resolution impact individual department's/program's choice to continue taking a hybrid approach to virtual & in-person learning?
Mariva
50:39
Thank you for the support for continuing online classes!
Regina Pacheco
50:52
I agree with Mariva! Some classes have had an enrollment boom during the pandemic! A hybrid schedule should be offered to classified and faculty.
Angela
51:21
I second that Regina, & Mariva
Shafa
51:32
I am also eager to go back in person; However, we are not all vaccinated yet. I wouldn't feel comfortable being around a big crowd.
Mark Ryan Shivers-Delgado
51:34
Most of my nursing cohort prefers the hybrid approach.
Chifung Wong
51:52
No Problem, my GPA actually "INCREASES" because of Zoom Online classes. If possible, I don't want Zoom online classes to end. If this COVID pandemic ends, I hope CCSF KEEP the Zoom online classes option
rad
51:55
I agree with DC. We need to be together. I am a tutor.
Zorha Evans
52:18
I agree there is a disconnect with engagement
Mariva
52:49
I couldn’t agree with you more, Chifung—online classes have been a real blessing
Zorha Evans
53:06
distant learning is different than online learning
Lauren/Lali | any pronouns
53:10
I agree with DC, it’s hard not being able to engage with other students. If we were to continue online learning, it would be helpful to have more structured ways for students to engage with each other
Chifung Wong
53:22
Yes, Mariva. I believe...if there is one positive of COVID, then it is the ZOOM App.
Malaika Finkelstein
53:27
Online and hybrid are great for some but we've also lost many many students. And many are still enrolled but not doing well. The digital divide is real.
Zorha Evans
53:35
students learn from other students not just from the professors
Shafa
53:36
I prefer zoom classes.
E
54:04
Assuming classes return to in-person instruction. It seems an inevitability that a student will test positive for covid-19. What happens to a class of 20 if 1 students gives notice that they have tested positive for covid-19 ? What is the plan?
Mary K
54:13
I too agree. Online classes have been a blessing for me as a single parent who works full time and could never find the time to go back to school.
Mariva
54:36
I hope the trustees are seeing how much support there is for continuing online classes
Tiquon Miller
55:56
Personally I prefer Zoom/Remote and Online classes. We are still dealing with Covid and going back to in person is a risk
firstname-lastname-AFT-Member
55:57
Rosie, Jeffrey Kelly was quite clear:
Thea Selby |she
56:21
Ditto, Simon. Please send to tselby@ccsf.edu.
rad
56:32
The benefits of online classes has been realized for a long time. Well before COVID. They will be around to some degree regardless.
firstname-lastname-AFT-Member
56:50
CCSF needs to start an advertising campaign with media spots and mailing. Other Colleges have started that for the summer and fall. You said there would be a post card. What about a more expansive effort with media and maybe bus placards and—there are standard ways to do this.
Malaika Finkelstein
57:02
Support for online is real and important. But we also have to recognize that we're here in a zoom meeting where the notice went out by email. My students who do not have that level of computer literacy are not here to speak for themselves. Each departments needs to be able to decide what to do, since we know our programs and populations best
Chifung Wong
57:31
I am ecstatic and happy to see there are sooooo many supports on Zoom Online classes, LOVE IT!!! LOVE ITI repeat one more time: LOVE IT!!!
Mariva
57:38
Can we give students who need it computers and internet access?
Zorha Evans
57:45
I really think some courses can be taught online but for the lab and science courses face to face and muscle memory skills in person is very necessary.
Akiyo Mineo-Aldis
58:08
I am enrolling children into our Ocean and Mission Child Development Centers. 90 percent of child development centers are open in San Francisco. If we do not open in person five days a week, we will not able to fill up our centers. Preschool children need in person instruction. Student parents need time to study in quiet environment to succeed.
Mariva
58:35
Agreed, Zorha. Dance, physical education, science lab, mechanics workshops, music and theatre performance, studio art, etc. should be taught in person. Everything else can and should be taught online, or at least offered an online option.
Patricia
59:14
Greeting Gilbert - good job
Regina Pacheco
59:25
A hybrid system is a really fair way to help students who have not done well remotely to return to school to improve...and for those who have thrived online to continue. This goes for students, classified and faculty. We all should have the opportunity to do our best work.
Chad Stephenson
59:43
Thank you, Akiyo! CDEV classes and locations are sooo popular for childcare workers, families, and children
Sammy chloe pronouns she
59:58
hi
Jennifer Rudd
01:00:15
CTE (Career Technical Education) classes generally need face to face time. It has been a struggle to move totally online for culinary.
DC Benn-San Francisco, CA-he/him/his/dude
01:00:29
World Languages should have in-person classes so that students can have an opportunity to converse with others.
Mike
01:00:34
Typing here because Zoom won't let me raise my hand.It's clear that we have many students who want to keep remote instruction and many who want to be back in person, and this doesn't even take into account the physical challenges of coming back. It seems like this 100% in person resolution is misguided, and we should continue a hybrid model, trying to bring back more in-person courses but keep a lot of remote learning.I'm an instructor, and my fall courses are listed as remote, and many students have been signing up for them. I'm planning on spending much of my summer improving my remote courses...with a 10% pay cut. If I spend the next couple of months working to improve the remote courses that students have already signed up for, and then some trustees try to force me to come back and pull the rug out from all of us, it will be adding insult to injury.
Malaika Finkelstein
01:00:35
Teaching on zoom and teaching in person require different curriculum and different teaching methods. It sounds like a good idea to do both simultaneously but I cannot be required to teach two different classes at the same time.
CCSF - Carolyn
01:00:35
The same holds true for those of us who have pre-exiting health conditions. Being given the opportunity to work from home has acually improved my health with less stress and improved productivity.
Malaika Finkelstein
01:00:51
Arrange for co-teaching, and then yes, it would work
Mariva
01:00:56
Chifung speaks to my passion for online classes!
Angela
01:01:11
Mariva, I am a benefiter of Chromebook/Hot Spot loan for internet and this has supported me in the process.
Tony Chin
01:01:16
I agree with Angela and Mariva. I also work full time. Remote learning and Zoom recordings has been a dramatically helpful in attending classes and learning due to scheduling conflicts due to work schedule. Going to in-person classes during work hours is impossible. Now with Covid, it's scary to even go in to the evening classes. I think the State focus to rush students back to classes is politically motivated and not aligned to the best interest of CCSF.
Mike
01:01:24
By all means, let's try to increase our in-person offerings. But so many students are still taking care of family and dealing with work issues due to the pandemic and rely on these remote offerings.
Jessica’s iPhone
01:01:31
Yes! Couldn’t agree more. I’m so happy to hear other people wanting to stay online
sallywinn
01:02:03
It’s important for CCSF to be able to compete with other colleges. Have the trustees or the admin been in touch with other Bay Area colleges to see what they are doing? We must be able to offer competitive classes in the same variety of modes of delivery that others do.
Mariva
01:02:08
Fantastic, Angela! CCSF needs to support online classes for students who need financial assistance.
Chico Gonzalez
01:02:20
Hi, I am a Classified Staff employee working in our Human Resources Department, and just completed 22 years here. I agree with a few sharing their input and opinions that a Hybrid form of working from home, and coming into our offices/campuses simultaneously is already working great for our department. I myself have onboarded Classified staff and Board Trustees during this pandemic via working remotely from home, and coming into the office when the need is necessary. My concern is that many are against the vaccination process for their reasons (Which I will not get into a debate, for we all have our choice) but I do agree that if the need for vaccination is required, I'm for it. I myself have been fully vaccinated and with common sense I still practice safeguarding with washing hands, and of course a facial covering/mask. I can attest that if when the decision is made to begin the process of returning back to our campuses/office in person, will City College be able to handle the expense costs.
Patricia
01:02:22
The Zoom learning model should be enhanced to include IBEST, TA and other support features, It should not mimic the online learning model
amanda green
01:02:26
I would like the option to work from home to still be open for classified staff- with the option to stay home 100% if needed - the reason being it provides flexibility when you have school aged children and no childcare and after school care options available and a 2 hr commute to think about. Even though K-12 will be open for the Fall in my area - after care options are more limited since the focus will be more to students in need than for the gen pop. I don't want to have to choose between my children's education and safety and my job. Thank you!
Angela
01:03:02
Mariva, I get that too. I wouldn't be here without the financial support/free city
DC Benn-San Francisco, CA-he/him/his/dude
01:03:24
The board needs to be aware that not all students have the technology or the knowledge to have a successful online classes for students.
Mariva
01:03:34
Yes, Angela. I’m glad that CCSF is supporting you and all our classmates.
Shafa
01:03:41
so true
Jeffrey Kelly
01:03:45
nope
Shafa
01:03:46
I agree
Malaika Finkelstein
01:03:52
Depends on the program and the population. My students are asking to return in person. To do it safely, we need ventilation and other safety measures. Darlene is right
Mariva
01:04:16
Many of the classrooms are freezing in the winter.
Chico Gonzalez
01:04:24
Towards the hiring of additional cleaning staff to ensure monitoring and sanitizing of all areas where people will definitely be active i.e. Cafeteria, classrooms, locker rooms, halls, and of course the areas of where students must wait for services etc. Are we on the plan to perhaps have class room sessions limited to a student count with distancing? Thank you.
Mariva
01:04:26
It can be miserable having to wear parkas in class
G w y n : FAO
01:04:32
I second her CONCERNS like MUB where our office is located-----WELL SAID
Patricia
01:04:36
In the MUB the windows have limited opening capacity
Jeffrey Kelly
01:04:37
Agree the DRT is a health hazard and its support areas.
E
01:05:41
It is too late to switch to in-person for the Fall. Students have already registered for the Fall assuming the courses are remote. The school will surely see an additional drop in enrollment when students realize these classes no longer fit their schedules.
Chifung Wong
01:05:56
In my fantasy land, there will be no more in-person classes anymore in the human history starting from this point, but of course I know this is impossible. Because there are still many people prefer in-person: Thus, I suggest KEEPING BOTH
Malaika Finkelstein
01:06:15
The entire Downtown Campus is small classrooms rooms with no windows that open. Heating, cooling, and ventilation have not worked for years
Regina Pacheco
01:06:15
Darlene's concerns are so valid and true. Well said.
Jignesh Desai
01:06:41
I am Photography student. I like to be in class for lighting class in Fall 2021. thank you
Mariva
01:06:55
I would have to drop a class if it switches back to in-person right now
Dr. Nunley
01:06:55
Some of my students have said if they go to in person they will go to another college
Mike
01:06:58
I heard from a colleague in the office of online learning that they did a fairly survey of students, and 70% want to stay fully remote. That seems to match what students here are saying. It really seems like we should continue working on bringing back in-person classes as we have been, but for the fall, we need to continue to continue our remote offerings.
Jeffrey Kelly
01:07:05
I agree with Darlene!
Mike
01:07:13
Well said, Darlene
Patricia Miller
01:07:17
Darlene, not all classes have been designated remote. I have had the opposite concern from students who want to be face to face
Malaika Finkelstein
01:07:31
Yes, they did a survey. But the survey was in Canvas. So students who aren't successful at Canvas didn't fill out the survey
CCSF - Carolyn
01:08:11
You are right on point Darlene, thank you!
Carole Meagher
01:10:10
Simon is right - we keep asking the wrong questions.
Gilbert Valencia
01:10:20
Change the course schedule can cause a change in enrollment, there are other colleges who have had their community forms before releasing the class schedule. There are other colleges who are offering different teaching modalities allowing students to have options. A student shouldn’t feel they need to compromise their health or those of others in order to obtain an education.
Colin Hall
01:10:22
Well said Simon
Carole Meagher
01:10:23
Yes, we need to go back, what do we need to do to get there
Mariva
01:10:28
It’s pretty obvious which classes need to be taught in person.
Carole Meagher
01:10:32
And yes, let's be flexibile
Chico Gonzalez
01:10:48
The Consensus I've received from 5 JC Colleges in our area, San Mateo, Los Medanos, Santa Rosa, and Laney are 75 percent in favor of online instruction continuing until next Spring. In my honest opinion in no way is City College ready for in person instruction to return by Fall. As I will share my opinion, theory and facts from seeing this campus in person for over a year now since this pandemic began.
Angelica Campos (she/they)
01:11:09
more comments!
Malaika Finkelstein
01:11:10
Simon is exactly right. We all know that there are some programs that need to get back in person, and we should move on those. That means resources -- safely, ventilation, cleaning, smaller sections -- and while we work on those, other classes continue remote
Mariva
01:11:15
What’s the difference?
DC Benn-San Francisco, CA-he/him/his/dude
01:11:20
COMMENTS!
Mike
01:11:22
More comments
Mariva
01:11:23
“YES” in the reactions
Elaine Avrus (she/her) Learning Assistance
01:11:27
Comment please with a follow up Q& A forum
William Morgan
01:11:28
combine the two
Eric he/him/his
01:11:28
yes
Abigail Bornstein
01:11:28
comments
Angela
01:11:30
comments
Rhea Dellimore
01:11:31
More comments please
Arnie Warshaw
01:11:32
comments
Regina Pacheco
01:11:32
Yes
Fran Smith
01:11:33
Q and A please
Lancelot Kao
01:11:34
comments
Frederick Teti
01:11:34
comments
Chico Gonzalez
01:11:37
COMMENTS, YES! Thank you.
Jack Sparks
01:11:37
comments
Patricia Miller
01:11:38
Yes
Sammy chloe pronouns she
01:11:40
yes for and a
Angelica Campos (she/they)
01:11:41
Not all perspectives have been heard. So more comments
Shafa
01:11:44
yes
Nick
01:11:44
I don't see why they can't mix
Maureen Noonan
01:11:44
Comments please
E
01:11:48
Q/A
Tony Chin
01:11:50
QA
CCSF - Carolyn
01:11:52
Comments please
Guadalupe Gomez (she, her, hers)
01:11:57
comments
Angela
01:12:04
but if someone has a question why not?
Darlene Alioto
01:12:05
continue with comments
Tiquon Miller
01:12:11
Comments
Sammy chloe pronouns she
01:12:17
hi my name is Sammy I am a disabled child to be to transfer when I moved up here during the middle of the pandemicI had to
Chifung Wong
01:12:56
Attending this Zoom Meeting taught me that I am NOT alone...there are many people advocate for Zoom Online classes, and I LOVE it!!!
Jane Au Yeung
01:13:01
COVID has changed the world and how we operate, things will not be exactly the same as before. CCSF should move in the direction to make classes more flexible to both students, teachers and classified. If things can be done remote and if that's making things more flexible, efficient and safe. CCSF should continue in that direction.
Wiwi
01:13:56
I completely agree and share the same point of view with Jane Au Yeung.
Mariva
01:14:05
I’ve heard the same thing from many other students, Chifung. Anything that can be taught online should be. Exceptions are things like labs, phys ed, studio art, performance, etc.
Chifung Wong
01:14:51
Mariva, I agree. Except for Science lab...in my view: Everything should try to transition online
Mike
01:14:56
I do think that we should offer more in-person sections of lecture classes for students who want/need them. Not just labs and whatnot. But we're clearly not ready for 100% in august
Malaika Finkelstein
01:14:56
My class is officially planned to be remote, even though my students are asking for in-person. Can we consider scheduling one day per month in-person, as a compromise?
Patrick Lee
01:15:40
For in-person or hybrid support: 1] what would it take(logistics, infrastructure) 2] What would it cost(resources, facilities, staff, faculty, student workers) 3] How will this be funded (unrestricted funds, CARES, HEERF)
Patrick Lee
01:15:58
Categorical
G w y n : FAO
01:16:01
What about people that are SENIORS, not savvy w/ technology, disabilities?----covering ALL WALKS of LIFE
Chifung Wong
01:16:45
Zoom Online classes is actually good for students with disability, because of the "video recording" features.
Carole Meagher
01:16:54
Nick is right. We haven't advanced the conversation for a year.
Carole Meagher
01:17:03
And... vaccines?
Malaika Finkelstein
01:17:05
Hybrid can mean a class that has some online work and some in-person sessions. That would be great. It cannot mean both online and zoom simultaneously, unless co-teachers are assigned to it. No one teacher can be required to teach two classes at once.
Chifung Wong
01:17:09
Students with disability can re-watch & then re-watch the videos over and over, and then get a 4.00 GPA
Athena Lynn
01:17:21
The resolution appears to have NO connection to R2C, vs. "doing what SF Unified SD is doing" with entirely different age group of student...Safety first, Please.
DC Benn-San Francisco, CA-he/him/his/dude
01:17:45
PREACH NICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dr. Nunley
01:17:45
Mandatory vaccination is problematic
firstname-lastname-AFT-Member
01:17:47
Just a note to CCSF employees—faculty and classified. There is a current survey about how employees feel about returning to campus. COVID-19 Employee Questionnaire, May, 2021 (submission deadline, June 2)Find the survey here: https://forms.office.com/r/Jtnuz6BxK3
Zorha Evans
01:17:54
I agree with Nick
Carole Meagher
01:17:56
Why don't we do what we always did - have some sections in person, some online?
Carole Meagher
01:18:05
That's what we did before, that's what we can keep doing.
Carole Meagher
01:18:13
Let the students decide
Chad Stephenson
01:18:48
Let’s remember the construction, plumbers, solar installers, mechanics, janitors, and trades that CCSF trains who need in-person learning.
Dr. Nunley
01:18:48
We need to also add the 3rd option of remote learning
G w y n : FAO
01:18:58
Where there enough CHROME BKS for ALL our stds????
DC Benn-San Francisco, CA-he/him/his/dude
01:19:33
PREACH WILLIAM!!!!!!!!!!!
Carole Meagher
01:19:51
We need to remember that this is a biased group.
Carole Meagher
01:20:12
Students who were successful online stayed with CCSF, and would have received the invitation to this forum.
Angelica Campos (she/they)
01:20:18
Since the beginning of the pandemic, I have been in the danger zone of failing when it comes to succeeding in my classes. As a disabled student, zoom is not working for me and my learning style. I can only speak for myself when I say I would prefer to go back in person. I think having classes in person and virtually (zoom) will benefit students on both aisles of the spectrum.
Carole Meagher
01:20:19
Where are the students who we lost?
Mariva
01:20:27
Anecdotally, most of my classmates support online classes
Sergio Garcia
01:20:43
Yes, William, agree!!. Social learning and technology can go hand by hand and face to face.
Sammy chloe pronouns she
01:20:44
save more money
Carole Meagher
01:20:48
@Mariva, of course, because you are the ones who have been successful online.
Carole Meagher
01:21:04
Nobody is saying zero online - just have the option.
Chifung Wong
01:21:14
Zoom online classes save Money $$$ for the college, why not?
Mariva
01:21:19
Carole, many of my classmates have told me that they have registered this past year BECAUSE of online classes. Their voices are important, too
Carole Meagher
01:21:21
We had a mix before, it worked well
Chifung Wong
01:21:26
Save $$ while there is video recording
Chad Stephenson
01:21:27
Buildings need to support programs—art, trades, aircraft maintenance—which also fulfill our role as job training for the city workers
E
01:21:38
Question: Assuming classes return to in-person instruction. It seems an inevitability that a student will test positive for covid-19. What happens to a class of 20 when 1 students gives notice that they have tested positive for covid-19 ? What is the plan?
Mike
01:21:48
How many people would be happy if the labs and other classes that really need to be in-person were in-person, and the lectures that can be done well remotely aim for something like 30% of sections in person and 70% remotely, so that everyone has something to serve them?
Carole Meagher
01:21:53
@Mariva, nobody is saying to get rid of online. Just important to have both options because online istion'w working well.
Mariva
01:22:00
Sounds good to me, Mike
Carole Meagher
01:22:05
Isn't working well for some people.
E. Simon Hanson
01:22:07
Are non English speaking students who come to CCSF to learn English going to be here as part of this discussion?
Mariva
01:22:21
Carole: There weren’t enough online sections before. There needs to be as many as there are now in the future
Tiquon Miller
01:22:35
The zoom isn’t allowing some people to raise hands
firstname-lastname-AFT-Member
01:22:44
That’s right. chancellor Vurdien tells us that the State sees City College as a College that should have 18,000-20,000 students and roughly 180 Full-time faculty. It looks like this online future is an opportunity to have a permanent downsizing. Uhhh!
Carole Meagher
01:22:47
Mariva: Of course: Based it on student demand.
LDuck@ccsf.edu
01:22:58
We need all persons who are on campus in person to be vaccinated.
Mike
01:23:02
How many people would be happy if the labs and other classes that really need to be in-person were in-person, and the lectures that can be done well remotely aim for something like 30% of sections in person and 70% remotely, so that everyone has something to serve them?
Nick
01:23:06
What's the timeline for going from a resolution to a plan?
Mariva
01:24:08
Classrooms are overcrowded. It’s dangerous
Thea Selby |she
01:24:22
Nick, the plan is being worked on and has been worked on for a long time.
Darlene Alioto
01:24:36
Nobody is saying don't come back and close all the buildings--it is a matter of don't come all the way back in Fall -- wait for a fuller return for Spring- when Covid is hopefully mostly eliminated and bad circulation won't matter as much.
LDuck@ccsf.edu
01:24:44
Ventilation is absent, classrooms are small. The only specific necessary is to require all persons to be vaccinated.
Mariva
01:24:52
I don’t want to go back to wearing a parka in a freezing cold classroom
Sammy chloe pronouns she
01:25:05
yes
Carole Meagher
01:25:23
Why didn't we jump on fixing ventilation when the HeERF funds were available?
Sammy chloe pronouns she
01:25:24
and the lgbtq
Angela
01:25:53
I have to hop off, but please consider both in-person & online courses especially for those who need it the most.
Nick
01:26:00
Thea: I know it's being worked on. The fact that we still aren't any closer to being ready to act on it is a major issue.
Mariva
01:26:01
Thank you, Angela!
Thea Selby |she
01:26:03
Thank you, Angela.
Angela
01:26:08
Thank you :)
Jennifer Kienzle
01:26:27
The Office of Online Learning just facilitated a survey to both faculty and students. We received over 2500 student responses and 300 faculty responses. Most students from this sample population want fully online classes with no meeting times. I’m more than happy to share these survey results!
Regina Pacheco
01:26:35
Ventilation issues have been issues for over 20 years. Upgrading won't happen in 2 months. We need to be realistic.
Tony Chin
01:26:36
Today I registered for two remote learning classes.I would not even consider the in-person sections.
Chifung Wong
01:26:43
Thank you Angela, yes!! Please keep BOTH Zoom-online and in-person classes.
Carole Meagher
01:26:50
Thea, the concern is that if there has been progress, it has not been visible.
Claudia Llanos
01:27:10
In San Francisco most of the adults are vaccinated we not need to be scary about our classrooms.
Carole Meagher
01:27:13
Remember everyone it's not an either/or. We had both online and in-person before, we can go back to having both.
Debora Radaic
01:27:18
I agreed with you Angelica!
Claudia Llanos
01:27:41
One day we need back to the normal. Not always we can get our own benefits in stay in home.
Mariva
01:27:42
I just don’t want to see online classes get the shaft as they used to get. They should be prioritized.
Jennifer Kienzle
01:27:57
I totally agree with Carole that we need both in person and face to face classes. I do think we need to scale up in our online offerings from pre-COVID.
CCSF - Carolyn
01:28:08
Clearly, both options need to be offered...
Mariva
01:28:21
Yes, Jennifer—scale up online classes, definitely
Elaine Avrus (she/her) Learning Assistance
01:28:22
Our classified staff and student tutors have been AMAZING! They worked hard to learn how to tutor online, while also learning how to be online learners. We are in awe of the academic support they have provided for students during this pandemic. With that said, other colleges in California have had hybrid versions of tutoring available to students before the pandemic. Our sister colleges are retuning with hybrid (online and in-person in-house) tutoring with the proper technology. Our tutors are using THEIR OWN. Some tutors want to tutor in-person and provide the experiential and interpersonal learning opportunities. Others want to only tutor online. Our students and tutors need to be able to do this is a safe space. How will we decide who can tutor on-site and who will remain tutoring online? Students accessed online tutoring support at high rates in an array of subjects and provided amazing feedback for the CCSF tutors they met with, yet students also want a chance to meet with tutors on campus.
Darlene Alioto
01:28:38
Hope Thea, Aliya, and Rosie and Shawn are saving the chat for the trustees.
E
01:28:42
How many students would return to their class the next week, after they've been notified that their classmate tested positive for covid-19?
Jennifer Rudd
01:29:13
Angelica - thank you for your comments! Many of our culinary students and faculty are wanting to be in person again.
Rosie Zepeda
01:29:44
Darlene, he entire meeting is being recorded, so the Trustees will be able to review the chat at their convenience and they are also taking notes.
Carole Meagher
01:29:50
Okay. Let faculty and students set the demand.
Carole Meagher
01:29:58
If online classes fill, add more of those.
Carole Meagher
01:30:08
If in-person classes fill, add more of those.
Jennifer Kienzle
01:30:22
We definitely need to increase our online training! We need more support in the office of online learning to make this happen.
G w y n : FAO
01:30:56
Grrrreat idea Darlene!!!! Proof is in the pudding about ALL concerns w/ this forum
Angelica Campos (she/they)
01:31:07
Nearly impossible!
Mariva
01:31:29
The teachers for online classes should be as good and as popular as for in-person classes. Online options should be AS GOOD.
Claudia Llanos
01:32:03
Is there any statistics about research in the how the students is doing well on zoom class? Because I prefer face to face, last three semesters I not be available to interact to others and I don’t get a 100% of the knowledge zoom is weird. At what time we share our cultures and understand others.
Carole Meagher
01:32:10
@Mariva, the data has shown that online classes book up faster but have higher drop rates.
LDuck@ccsf.edu
01:32:19
We do need more support in the Distance Ed Department - they are all fantastic, but the demand is going to increase and become more nuanced.
Carole Meagher
01:32:36
Claudia, data shows that A students were the same, but students who struggled dropped off at a much higher rate.
Mariva
01:32:41
Give it a chance, Carole. People will get used to it over time. The pandemic proved that it’s possible, doable, and even better for many students
Carole Meagher
01:32:55
I have been giving it a chance.
Carole Meagher
01:33:26
But the question is not 100% F2F or 100% Zoom.
Carole Meagher
01:33:34
We can do F2F and keep Zoom.
Sergio Garcia
01:33:41
The pandemic will end some day, and even it becomes endemic like the seasonal flu, I refuse to live my life in fear. The purpose of remote learning was to protect each other from transmission. If transmission is low between vaccinated and non vaccinated people protect themselves with mask and distance, I do not see the problem with classroom in person teaching.
DC Benn-San Francisco, CA-he/him/his/dude
01:33:45
@Mariva, please be aware that a significant number of CCSF may not be technologically savy for online classes.
Mariva
01:33:48
I don’t disagree. Dance, science labs, etc. need to be in person.
Chifung Wong
01:34:09
Yes, please keep Zoom!! Zoom is AWESOME!!!!Zoom is the BEST GIFT from the COVID Pandemic!!!
Angelica Campos (she/they)
01:34:15
@ DC Benn - It wasn't until the pandemic that I had wifi in my house
Patricia Miller
01:34:29
@Carole, that has also been my experience: I teach online and remote adaptation of face to face. The asynchronous sections fill up and have higher drop out because there is no sense of community or shared classroom culture. I have successfully taught performance on Zoom for 4 semesters but my students want to work face to face.
Mariva
01:34:31
@DC Benn—Understood. CCSF should support them with computers, internet access, and training. This is both the present and the future.
Chifung Wong
01:34:46
If there is ONLY ONE positive thing about COVID 19: it is ZOOM!!!
DC Benn-San Francisco, CA-he/him/his/dude
01:34:53
If you do have asynchronous/synchronous online classes have students communicate weekly about their classes.
Malaika Finkelstein
01:34:57
Yes, John Tam! Community college should be for the whole community
Malaika Finkelstein
01:36:05
My students can borrow Chromebooks from the college but that does not help without in-person training to use them
Thea Selby |she
01:36:14
Abigail, this is not what the resolution says. It says, "Our firm intention to ensure all CCSF students are able to attend full-time, 5 days a week, in-person learning on the first day of school Fall semester."
E
01:36:18
The Registration issues have nothing to do with Covid-19. They actually used to be easier to do online. CCSF changed over to an atrocious system that I'm sure has had a significant impact on lowering registration rates.
Mariva
01:36:42
Yes, the new registration system is terrible. I have a background in tech and even I find it confusing to use every time.
Nick
01:36:58
"Abigail, this is not what the resolution says. It says, "Our firm intention to ensure all CCSF students are able to attend full-time, 5 days a week, in-person learning on the first day of school Fall semester.""
Angelica Campos (she/they)
01:37:00
Registration issues have been exacerbated due to covid-19.
Nick
01:37:05
That is what she said it said
Rita Tuialu'ulu'u (she/her/ella)
01:37:14
Respect the published schedule agree
E
01:37:22
Abigail is 100% correct.
rad
01:37:29
Yes. The registration process is far more difficult than it used to be.
DC Benn-San Francisco, CA-he/him/his/dude
01:37:33
@Angelica, I like ZOOM. However, there needs to be online recordings on how students students use ZOOM correctly.
Patricia Miller
01:37:36
I agree Abigail!! We need to message what was already decided and support those decisions with resources and services
Angelica Campos (she/they)
01:38:02
@DC Benn - You're absolutely right!
Regina Pacheco
01:38:04
If the schedule has been published and registration is happening and classes are being filled, LEAVE it alone! Respect the published schedule.
Tony Chin
01:38:13
I agree with Abigail. What's stated on schedule has to stick. Can't change it.
Angelica Campos (she/they)
01:38:28
Zoom has been beneficial and has allowed me to go to more class sessions when I'm not home. I will admit that.
rad
01:38:52
Yes to Abigail.
Gilbert Valencia
01:39:09
Hybrid and hy-flex are two completely different
Mariva
01:39:24
Gilbert, what is “hy-flex”?
Nick
01:39:26
Adding class sections would not necessarily compromise the schedule that has already been put out, the real issue is changing the location or status of classes already in the schedule.
John Tam
01:39:36
There are computer hardware that can bridge remote and face to face classes.
Patricia Miller
01:39:45
Abigail is so right re hybrid distinction, Facilities issues and respect the published schedule
Regina Pacheco
01:39:59
Abigail is 100% correct!
angela farrington
01:40:57
agree
Gilbert Valencia
01:41:02
Mariva Hyflex is where a section of students meet in person while another section meets at the same dates and time via zoom. Some colleges such as Oxnard College are offering this method in the fall semester. A hybrid is a single section in which part of the instruction occurs in person/via zoom at a set date and time while the rest of the learning occurs online
Mariva
01:41:48
@Gilbert: Thanks for the explanation! I support Hyflex—it sounds perfect!
rad
01:42:07
Yes to Sally. The website is a disaster for registration.
Jeffrey Kelly
01:42:10
Check out Skyline college online schedule. Easy to navigate.
firstname-lastname-AFT-Member
01:42:22
Yes, Trustees. Sally made a valuable point about this open approach—with communication among participants and seeing who else is at the meeting—should be the method used at Board of Trustees meetings. The Trustees have been asked for this repeatedly and there is no change. So, look at today’s meeting as a model
DC Benn-San Francisco, CA-he/him/his/dude
01:42:29
PREACH SALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fran Smith
01:42:35
Coming back to campus. Resources-Please reconsider reinstating the Adobe account for the VMD department. My major Journalism, requires a course from VMD - Indesign. I can not afford to purchase a subscription from ADOBE. I also can not afford to buy a new laptop for their programs. I need to use the department computers that have the programs.
Claudia Llanos
01:42:41
I am a student and I don’t like zoom.
Raushanah Riles
01:42:48
I AGREE SALLY!!
Angelica Campos (she/they)
01:44:13
fellow students have asked where they can read the resolution -- @thea @aliya, where can we find it?
Mariva
01:44:16
What’s a “wraparound service”?
Aliya Chisti (she/her)
01:44:32
https://go.boarddocs.com/ca/ccsf/Board.nsf/Public
Aliya Chisti (she/her)
01:44:35
10B
Sergio Garcia
01:44:35
I heard CCSF is broke. What about the 1.9 trillion relief bill from Congress? Is there some money allocation for CCSF? What's the plans for that government money? Maybe that funding can be directed wisely to remodeling the bad shape of some campuses
LDuck@ccsf.edu
01:44:35
Requiring a vaccination is not extreme. It is science.
Shawn Yee
01:44:57
The resolution can be found at http://go.boarddocs.com/ca/ccsf/Board.nsf/goto?open&id=C2BRQB6A21E2
Nick
01:45:06
Agree completely, require vaccinations for in-person
Dr. Nunley
01:45:30
Not everyone agrees with the science and we must also consider this
Aliya Chisti (she/her)
01:45:42
achisti@ccsf.edu
LDuck@ccsf.edu
01:45:52
We require vaccines for other things.
Angelica Campos (she/they)
01:45:54
@LDuck vaccination or proof of covid negative test result is a fair ask
Gilbert Valencia
01:46:00
I agree with Dr. Nunley
CCSF - Carolyn
01:46:01
Here Here Rhea!! ...
Thea Selby |she
01:46:07
achisti@ccsf.edu, tselby@ccsf.edu
Angelica Campos (she/they)
01:46:17
But I recognize many are not comfortable with the idea of a mandatory vaccine
firstname-lastname-AFT-Member
01:46:19
Shawn, Rosie, Aliya and Thea—Please state whether these open forums will be accessible after today, not just the chat.
Sammy chloe pronouns she
01:46:46
give more time to spake ...
LDuck@ccsf.edu
01:47:00
Why do CSU and UC students get to attend in person with the protection of vaccination but not our CCSF students?
Raushanah Riles
01:47:35
When you don't make time to hear the voices and collectives of individuals you cut off their opportunities to be heard.
Chico Gonzalez
01:47:40
Thank you Trustees, Shawn Yee, and everyone here today for your sharing and information, questions and comments. Great to see so many involved and expressing their input! Chico : )
Chifung Wong
01:47:59
Thank you Aliya, please consider the feedback of "keeping" Zoom online classes even after the COVID Pandemic.Again, thank you very much for this Zoom Meeting.
Kristen Wolslegel
01:48:01
@LDuck: good point! Why are our students getting left behind when 4 year and K-12 schools are opening up?
Angelica Campos (she/they)
01:48:20
Not everyone is an anti-vaxxer just for "personal freedom" reasons. There are very legitimate fears and hesitations for many when it comes to vaccines in this country.
Rosie Zepeda
01:48:34
Yes. We will post the recording on the public information page.
Nick
01:48:34
Like what?
Angelica Campos (she/they)
01:48:39
Think: Tuskegee
Rosie Zepeda
01:48:45
tselby@ccsf.edu
Malaika Finkelstein
01:48:57
Also some medical reasons why people cannot get vaccine
Rosie Zepeda
01:48:57
achisti@ccsf.edu
Angelica Campos (she/they)
01:49:08
@ Maliaka! True!